[artinfo] Government Insider Says Bush Authorized 911 Attacks

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Government Insider Says Bush
Authorized 911 Attacks

 From Thomas Buyea
Keep in mind when reading this, that the man being interviewed is no 
two-bit internet conspiracy buff.
Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has 
personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This courageous 
man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly his life, to 
get this information out to people.
The following is from his latest visit to Alex Jones' radio show.
Forwarded with Compliments of Free Voice of America (FVOA): Accurate 
News and Interesting Commentary for Amerika's Huddled Masses Yearning 
to Breathe Free.
Note: All honor to Stanley Hilton for risking his life so that we may 
know the truth of 9/11.
The Bush Junta Unmasked
"This (9/11) was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. 
Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. 
He is guilty of treason and mass murder." --Stanley Hilton
Alex Jones interview of Stanley Hilton, attorney for 911 taxpayers' 
Alex Jones Radio Show September 10, 2004 Transcription by 'RatCat'
AJ: He is back with us. He is former Bob Dole's chief of staff, very 
successful counselor, lawyer. He represents hundreds of the victims 
families of 9/11. He is suing Bush for involvement in 9/11. Now a major 
Zogby poll out - half of New Yorkers think the government was involved 
in 9/11. And joining us for the next 35 minutes, into the next hour, is 
Stanley Hilton. Stanley, it's great to have you on with us.
SH: Glad to be on.
AJ: We'll have to recap this when we start the next hour, but just in a 
nutshell, you have a lawsuit going, you've deposed a lot of military 
officers. You know the truth of 9/11. Just in a nutshell, what is your 
case alleging?
SH: Our case is alleging that Bush and his puppets Rice and Cheney and 
Mueller and Rumsfeld and so forth, Tenet, were all involved not only in 
aiding and abetting and allowing 9/11 to happen but in actually 
ordering it to happen. Bush personally ordered it to happen. We have 
some very incriminating documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush 
personally ordered this event to happen in order to gain political 
advantage, to pursue a bogus political agenda on behalf of the neocons 
and their deluded thinking in the Middle East. I also wanted to point 
out that, just quickly, I went to school with some of these neocons. At 
the University of Chicago, in the late 60s with Wolfowitz and Feith and 
several of the others and so I know these people personally. And we 
used to talk about this stuff all of the time. And I did my senior 
thesis on this very subject - how to turn the U.S. into a presidential 
dictatorship by manufacturing a bogus Pearl Harbor event. So, 
technically this has been in the planning at least 35 years.
AJ: That's right. They were all Straussian followers of a Nazi-like 
professor. And now they are setting it up here in America. Stanley, I 
know you deposed a lot of people and you've got your $7 million dollar 
lawsuit with hundreds of the victim's families involved.
SH: 7 billion, 7 billion
AJ: Yeah, 7 billion. Can you go over some of the new and incriminating 
evidence you've got of them ordering the attack?
SH: Yes, let me just say that this is a taxpayers' class action lawsuit 
as well as a suit on behalf of the families and the basic three 
arguments are they violated the Constitution by ordering this event. 
And secondly that they [garbled] fraudulent Federal Claims Act, Title 
31 of the U.S. Code in which Bush presented false and fraudulent 
evidence to Congress to get the Iraq war authorization. And, of course, 
he related it to 9/11 and claimed that Saddam was involved with that, 
and all these lies.
AJ: Tell you what, stay there. Stanley, we've got to break. Let's come 
back and get into the evidence. BREAK
AJ: All right my friends, second hour, September 10th, 2004, the 
anniversary of the globalist attack coming up tomorrow. It's an amazing 
individual we have on the line. Bob Dole's former chief of staff, 
political scientist, a lawyer, he went to school with Rumsfeld and 
others, he wrote his thesis about how to turn America into a 
dictatorship using a fake Pearl Harbor attack. He's suing the U.S. 
government for carrying out 9/11. He has hundreds of the victims' 
families signing onto it - it's a $7 billion lawsuit. And he is Stanley 
Hilton. I know that a lot of stations just joined us in Los Angeles and 
Rhode Island and Missouri and Florida and all over. Please sir, recap 
what you were just stating and then let's get into the new evidence. 
And then we'll get into why you are being harassed by the FBI, as other 
FBI people are being harassed who have been blowing the whistle on 
this. So, this is really getting serious. Stanley, tell us all about 
SH: Yeah, we are suing Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, 
Mueller, etc. for complicity in personally not only allowing 9/11 to 
happen but in ordering it. The hijackers we retained and we had a 
witness who is married to one of them. The hijackers were U.S. 
undercover agents. They were double agents, paid by the FBI and the CIA 
to spy on Arab groups in this country. They were controlled. Their 
landlord was an FBI informant in San Diego and other places. And this 
was a direct, covert operation ordered, personally ordered by George W. 
Bush. Personally ordered. We have incriminating evidence, documents as 
well as witnesses, to this effect. It's not just incompetence - in 
spite of the fact that he is incompetent. The fact is he personally 
ordered this, knew about it. He, at one point, there were rehearsals of 
this. The reason why he appeared to be uninterested and nonchalant on 
September 11th - when those videos showed that Andrew Card whispered in 
his ear the [garbled] words about this he listened to kids reading the 
pet goat story, is that he thought this was another rehearsal. These 
people had dress-rehearsed this many times. He had seen simulated 
videos of this. In fact, he even made a Freudian slip a few months 
later at a California press conference when he said he had, quote, 
"seen on television the first plane attack the first tower." And that 
could not be possible because there was no video. What it was was the 
simulated video that he had gone over. So this was a personally 
government-ordered thing. We are suing them under the Constitution for 
violating Americans' rights, as well as under the federal Fraudulent 
Claims Act, for presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress to justify 
the bogus Iraq boondoggle war, for political gains. And also, under the 
RICO statute, under the Racketeering Corrupt Organization Act, for 
being a corrupt entity. And I've been harassed personally by the chief 
judge of the federal court who is instructing me personally to drop 
this suit, threatened to kick me off the court, after 30 years on the 
court. I've been harassed by the FBI. My staff has been harassed and 
threatened. My office has been broken into and this is the kind of 
government we are dealing with.
AJ: Absolutely and now it has come out - five separate drills of flying 
hijacked jets into buildings that morning - which you told us about 
before it even broke in the Associated Press. They were trying to get 
out ahead of you. You talked about how you interviewed military people 
who were told it was a drill that morning. Then to get out ahead of 
that, the news finally reported on it. Now, we've learned that all 
these operations - I want to get into that, I want to talk about the 
new incriminating evidence of ordering it and how they had drilled on 
this, how Cheney was in the bunker controlling this. That has even come 
out in the mainstream news but they won't release the details of that, 
Stanley. But what type of FBI harassment are you going through?

SH: First of all, my office was burglarized in San Francisco several 
months ago. Files were gone through and some files were seized - 
particularly the ones dealing with the lady that was married to one of 
the hijackers. Fortunately, I had spare copies in a hidden place so 
nothing disappeared permanently. But more significantly, FBI agents 
have been harassing one of my staff members and threatening them with 
vague but frightening threats of indicting them. And it's just total 
harassment. They have planted a spy, an undercover agent, in my 
organization, as we just recently discovered. In other words, these are 
Nazi Germany tactics. This is the kind of government you have in this 
country. This is what Bush is all about.
AJ: Stay there, Stanley, Bob Dole's former chief of staff. We'll come 
back after this quick break. Please stay with us. BREAK
AJ: All right, eight minutes, 25 seconds into the second hour. Stanley 
Hilton, political scientist, lawyer, Bob Dole's former chief of staff, 
is suing the government for 7 billion dollars for carrying out 9/11 and 
for racketeering. And he joins us now. During the break, I first really 
did the big interview with Stanley Hilton after I saw him attacked on 
Fox News. And that interview got massive attention. And then he kind of 
went underground for a while because a judge, we're going to talk about 
that, ordered him to not do any more interviews. And now he's back 
doing interviews. He's had his office broken into, FBI threats and 
harassment. Bottom line, he has deposed military individuals, wives of 
hijackers, you name it, it was a government operation. It has even come 
out in mainstream news, a piece here, a piece there. They had drills on 
9/11, that's why NORAD stood down. Cheney was in control of the whole 
thing. Stanley Hilton has now gotten documents about how Bush ordered 
the whole operation. And I'll tell you right now, his life is in 
danger, folks. And he's got so much courage. He went to school with 
these neocons at the University of Chicago. He wrote his thesis on how 
the government could use terrorist attacks to set up martial law. He is 
the man for the time and folks wondered why he disappeared for a while 
and just did his lawsuit and wasn't doing interviews, it was because he 
was ordered to. Stanley, can you get into that for us?
SH: I did an interview with you, Alex, back in March of 2003, about a 
year and a half ago, and literally two weeks after that, I was 
contacted by the emissary of the chief judge of the federal court where 
I have the lawsuit. And I was warned not to publicize it but to keep it 
quiet and threatened with discipline. And it remained quiet until a 
couple of months ago and then I got on the air on some programs and 
some publicity and July 1st, I was threatened directly by the chief 
judge here, threatened with court discipline. This particular judge has 
been circulating communiqués to the other federal judges seeking 
anything negative she can get against me to try and discipline me after 
I've been on the court here for 30 years with no disciplinary problems 
at all. This is suddenly happening. And her assistants who are on the 
committee of the court met with me on July 1st in Palo Alto, 
California, and threatened me directly. They handed me a copy of the 
lawsuit and said that the judge wants me to dismiss this. What's this? 
She doesn't like the content of it. This is politically incorrect. This 
is outside the norm. I said I represented more than 400 plaintiffs, how 
am I going to dismiss this case? And they threatened me directly and 
they said, "the next time you'll be disciplined." And also they've 
threatened me not to go public, etc. And this is just outrageous.
AJ: It's all color of law. No direct orders, just all in your face.
SH: They sent a letter out, and of course they deny it's because of the 
political content of the suit but they told me directly on the phone 
that it is because of this suit and this judge is very, very angry, 
apparently has been in contact with Ashcroft's Justice Department. I 
got a call from Ashcroft's Justice Department a few months ago about 
this, demanding that I drop the suit, threatening sanctions and all 
kinds of things. I refused to drop it.

AJ: Now let's go back over, you had them break into your office, 
harassment. Let's go over that in detail.
SH: My office was broken into about 6 months ago. The file cabinets - 
it was obvious they had been rifled through. Files were stolen. Files 
dealing with this particular case and particularly with the documents I 
had regarding the fact that the - some of these hijackers, at least 
some of them were on the payroll of the U.S. government as undercover 
FBI, CIA, double agents. They are spying on Arab groups in the U.S. 
And, in effect, all this led up to the effect that al Qaeda is a 
creation of the George Bush administration, basically. That the entity 
that he called al Qaeda is directly linked to George Bush. And all this 
stuff was stolen. Fortunately, I had copies. But this was just part of 
the harassment. The FBI has also been harassing some of my assistants 
and has planted a spy in our midst. And it is just outrageous that 
these Nazi tactics are being used - and the obstruction of justice, 
these people are criminals. And that's what's happening under the 
tremendous pressure here to just drop it. Or to shut up now and just go 
AJ: Now, let's talk about what they want you to drop. Let's talk about, 
without giving names, the people you deposed, what really happened, the 
picture you've got. You said earlier that Bush ordered this, they were 
simulating this which they now admit there were simulations on that 
morning. Let's go over what they don't want you to talk about, Stanley.
SH: We have evidence both documentary as well as witness sworn 
statements from undercover former FBI agents, FBI informants, etc., 
that other officials in the Pentagon and the military and the Air Force 
that deal with the fact that there were many drills, many rehearsals 
for 9/11 before it happened. Bush had seen this simulated on TV many 
times. He blurted this out at a press conference in California a few 
months after 9/11 where he said he had, quote, seen the first plane hit 
the first building on the video. And that's not possible because there 
was no official video of that. There was one of the second plane not 
the first one. He had seen the first one. We do have some incriminating 
documents that Bush personally ordered 9/11 events. It was well 
planned. A FEMA official has admitted on tape that he was there the 
night before - September 10th, that is
AJ: And now Mayor Giuliani, a few months ago in the 911 Commission, 
admitted that - Tripod II. They had their whole command post already 
moved out of Building 7. Now, this is very, very important. This is a 
key area of this whole event. You said months before it came out on the 
CIA's own website and the Associated Press, you said I deposed people. 
They said there were drills that morning and exactly what happened, 
happening - that was the smoke-screen for the stand-down. And then to 
get out ahead of it, the CIA comes out and said yeah we were running a 
drill that morning. Now, we've learned that five, possibly six, were 
confirmed. Five of these - one drill with the exact same thing 
happening that actually happened, at the exact same time in the 
morning. That's why NORAD stood down with 24 different blips on the 
screen. You've said this. You brought this up first. Now, I know you 
can't get too much into detail but can you tell us how you learned of 
SH: I have interviewed individuals in NORAD and the Air Force. I 
personally toured NORAD many years ago around the time that I worked 
for Dole. I'm very familiar with the operations at Cheyenne Mountain at 
Colorado Springs, where NORAD is. Individuals that work in NORAD as 
well as the Air Force have stated this, off the record, but the point 
is, yes, this was not just five drills but at least 35 drills over at 
least two months before September 11th. Everything was planned, the 
exact location
AJ: But five drills that day.
SH: That day, that day, and Bush thought it was a drill. That's the 
only explanation for why he appeared nonchalant
AJ: We also had NORAD officers and civilian air traffic controllers 
going, "Is this part of the exercise? Is this a drill?"
SH: Yes.
AJ: On the tapes and in TV interviews, they thought it was, quote, a 
SH: That's right. That's exactly what I said long before it became 
public. I've known about this since earlier in March of '03, as I 
stated before. This was all planned. This was a government-ordered 
operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized 
the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder. And now, 
obstruction of justice by attempting to use a federal judge and FBI 
agents to inhibit a legitimate civil lawsuit in this country, in 
federal court. Even a chief judge in this court tried to harass and 
threaten me personally for representing legitimate plaintiffs. And they 
got Clinton for allegedly lying under oath about Paula Jones and now - 
look what's happening now. And Ken Starr used to be across from me in 
Duke Law School in the early `70s and it´s interesting that he got away 
with trying to get Clinton impeached, so we have a far worse criminal 
sitting in the oval office today - somebody guilty of mass murder as 
well as obstruction of justice.
AJ: Well, I mean look, they say they never heard of a plan to fly 
planes into buildings - said it all over television - Rice, Bush, 
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft. And then we find out they were running all 
these drills that morning. Even if they weren't involved, that proves 
they were liars about ever hearing of such a plan.
SH: Well, I'm trying to take their depositions - I've been trying to 
take their depositions for months. They've been trying to object to it. 
They will have to admit they were either lying then or now. It's 
clearly perjury either way. They are liars and perjurers; that's what 
they are. These are the people that we have running this government 
and, of course, they knew about it. How are they going to claim now 
that they didn't know about these drills? Their idea is that nobody 
knew anything. It's the old know-nothing mentality. And how anybody 
considers this believable is beyond me.
AJ: All right, now people ask how could a huge organization, how could 
the AWACs, how could the military let this happen; whereas before, if 
your Cessna got off course for five minutes, they would launch F-16s on 
you. It's real simple. It's what Stanley Hilton said here a year and a 
half ago. It's what came out in the news after that. The military, good 
people, were told this was all a drill. And it was not a drill. And ABC 
News admits that Cheney was in control of [?] out of the White House 
[?] and that he ordered the military to quote "do something." Our 
inside sources from Hilton and others say it was a stand down and they 
admit they will not release that under national security. Stanley?
SH: Well they are going to admit it, they're going to release it in the 
court case because if you demand it under subpoena powers and they must 
release it. And part of our lawsuit is brought in the name of the U.S. 
because under the federal fraudulent [Claims Act], we accuse the Bush 
Administration of presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress. And under 
the statutes of Title 31 of the U.S. code, they must release this 
information. That's why they are trying to threaten me, harass me, 
invade my office, steal my files, commit blatant obstruction of justice 
and other crimes to try and prevent a legitimate civil suit from 
exposing these criminals and their acts of treason and mass murder.
AJ: I think you need to publicly tell folks that you are not planning 
suicide. Would you like to tell folks that?
SH: (laughs) I'm not planning suicide. I've got family and I'm not 
planning that but I don't like the threats I'm under - but I can tell 
you this, it's taking a toll emotionally on me and my staff. And 
particularly, when you get a threat from the chief judge of your own 
AJ: Why have you decided to go public again after a year of being under 
the radar?

SH: Because the more and more evidence that I've been adducing over a 
year and a half has made it so obvious to me that this was now without 
any doubt a government operation and that it amounts to the biggest act 
of treason and mass murder in American history. I mean George Bush 
makes Benedict Arnold look like a patriot. He makes Benedict Arnold 
look like George Washington. I mean that's what we have - a criminal 
and a traitor sitting in the White House pretending he's a patriot, 
wrapping himself in the flag. And it's pretty disgusting because the 
other side of the so-called opposition, the Kerry camp is just saying 
nothing because they're afraid to speak.
AJ: Stay right there. We'll be right back.
AJ: Stanley Hilton will be with us for another 15 or 16 minutes. Then 
he's got to go into court. Bob Dole's former chief of staff, political 
scientist, lawyer, represents 400 plus plaintiffs - most of them 
victims of 9/11. When I was in New York last week, everybody I was 
talking to, I mean 90 plus percent of them at ground zero - "I had 
family, I worked in the buildings, my son's a Navy Seal - he called the 
night before and said don't go to work." You know, all of this, and 
then now they never had any idea - and it turns out they had all these 
drills - and one drill of hijacked jets flying into the World Trade 
Center and Pentagon at 8:30 in the morning. That morning - come on 
people! And Stanley Hilton brought all this out on this show before it 
was in the mainstream news. And I was talking to him during the break. 
I mean, the harassment, the moles, the threatening of his staff, the 
judge threatening him. Stanley, let's get specifically into the 
documents that you have now got that they have now been robbing you 
for, that you luckily, thank God had copies. Specifically, Bush 
ordering this. Can you get into that for us - ordering 9/11?

SH: National Security Council classified documents which [garbled] and 
it's was part of a series of documents that were involved with the 
drill documents. This was all planned - they had it on videotape. These 
planes were controlled by remote control, as I stated previously a year 
and a half ago, there's a system called Cyclops. There is a computer 
chip in the nose of the plane and it enables the ground control, the 
military ground control, to disable the pilot's control of the plane 
and to control it and to fly it directly into those towers. That's what 
happened. It's also a technology used on what's called the Global Hawk, 
which is an aircraft drone - a remote- controlled aircraft. And they 
were doing it. We are talking about National Security Council 
classified documents that clearly indicated that [garbled] had a green 
light to order this to go and this is no drill. These drills that were 
running were clearly a dress rehearsal and this was a government 
operation. You wonder why these people are trying to threaten people 
and trying to intimidate people who have written this suit, I guess if 
you murdered 3000 of your own citizens, in conjunction with the corrupt 
Royal family of Saudi Arabia as Bush did. And if you then waste 
billions more on a worthless garbage war in Iraq, I guess you've got 
something to worry about and you want to threaten people to prevent it 
from coming out.
AJ: I mean let's look at this. Not only are there dress rehearsals, 
they are smoke screens so the good military stands down and doesn't 
know what's happening. But it's now coming out, even in mainstream 
news, that yes these drills were going on. Yes, and some of these 
drills, quote, passenger-type jets were under remote control - this is 
decades old technology. In 1958, NORAD was [ ] old jets and using them 
for target practice. Decades ago they flew jumbo jets from LA to Sidney 
Australia. So since that's going on, everybody knows that. And it's the 
same MO. Just like the first World Trade Center [bombing] where they 
get two retarded men who followed this blind sheik who had a tiny 
mosque above a pizza parlor. And they set them up as the patsies. Then 
the FBI cooks the bomb, trains the drivers. This informant goes, 
"You're not going to bomb the building? They go "Yeah, we're letting it 
go forward." He tapes them to protect themselves. The two retarded 
gentlemen, thank God, didn't park it up against the column, as the FBI 
instructed them to do, so it didn't bring down the tower - because you 
have to be right up against the column. That doesn't happen. Yet, it's 
the same thing with 9/11. You've got these CIA agents, these Arabs, who 
were trained at U.S. military bases, Pensacola Naval Air Station - 
mainstream media, out creating their legends for this background. 
They're on board the aircraft. My military sources say nerve gas kills 
everybody on board the plane - nerve gas packets. Then they fly the 
planes into buildings. From your inside sources, is that accurate?
SH: It's one of the things that we are looking into - that nerve gas or 
something else disabled people. It's possible. I can't say for sure to 
be honest with you
AJ: All you know is they were government agents and they were on board 
and the planes were remote controlled.
SH: Yeah, it was basically a smokescreen. I mean, the events of the 
hijackings, how someone snuck in those cutters, it was a plant. It was 
like a classic decoy. I've got some military background. And it's 
called decoy. It's a decoy operation. You make the people focus on the 
decoy to avoid looking at the real criminals. So they are focusing on 
these so-called nineteen hijackers and saying, "Oh, it must have been 
these Arabs. When, in fact, the guilty person is at 1600 Pennsylvania 
Avenue - sitting in the oval office. That's the guilty person. That's 
the one who authorized it. There is only one man who could have 
authorized this operation and that's Bush. And anyone at NORAD will 
tell you as I have been told personally at NORAD in the war control 
room, there is only one man who has the power to do this kind of thing 
and that's Bush. Even though many believe he's a puppet. And I think in 
many ways he is. The fact of the matter is where was [ ] Cheney, 
Rumsfeld and these other traitors. The fact is Bush personally ordered 
and he's guilty and liable and he's going to be re-elected apparently 
because the media's asleep and [garbled] for Bush.

AJ: Well, the media is owned by the same military industrial complex 
that carried out the attacks.
SH: Yeah, the media is only interested in maintaining the official 
government fantasy that this was a little lone Arab. These Arabs 
couldn't even steer that plane down a runway.
AJ: Stay there Stanley, final segment coming up. BREAK
AJ: Mr. Hilton, when you talk to these FBI agents, when you talk to 
these military men and women, what's their attitude? They've got to be 
pretty freaked out to have the big picture and know what actually 
happened on 9/11.
SH: Yes, you know it's like clouds just before a thunderstorm in the 
sense that they are sort of pregnant with rage. They are just enraged 
at the criminal politicians who have perverted and misused the 
government to murder its own citizens and pursue these dubious 
political ends. And many of them, in increasing numbers, are willing to 
talk and will talk under subpoena - but only under subpoena because the 
official party line of the government is shut up and don't talk to the 
trial lawyer. But more and more, they are very outraged that part of 
the government has done this to its own people, to its own people. I 
mean you have to go back to Stalin to see something - not even Hitler 
did this to his own people. You have to look at Stalin who murdered the 
Kulaks, the Russians for his own dubious gains. Also we've got - we 
have a Stalinist mentality in this country. And, if these people pose 
as patriots and wrap themselves in the flag, it's disgusting. I wanted 
also to point out that the Japanese television network, Asahi, is going 
to be airing a special on primetime tomorrow, on September 11th. They 
interviewed me for eight hours a couple of weeks ago. I'll be on that. 
I wish - of course, the America media don't care so they are not going 
to care. But in Japan, people are very serious in interviewing me and 
others. And we have a website now, called deprogram.info, if more 
people are interested: www.deprogram.info. But the other thing, I just 
wanted to say that if anything happens to me - and I don't know why - 
because I'm being threatened here now. And it seems you can't bring a 
case in this country anymore against criminals in power without being 
threatened. And this is how they operate. The stakes are pretty high 
when you've got a world historical level of treason and fraud by this 
government against it's own people. I guess this is what you have to 
AJ: Stanley, the globalists, the new world order crowd, definitely 
intend to carry out more terror attacks. I know they would have carried 
out more attacks if we wouldn't have done what we've been up to, if you 
wouldn't have been out there boldly speaking out and many others. And 
then their electronic Berlin wall has a bunch of cracks in it now. 
Thanks to good people like yourself and many others who are speaking 
out and telling the truth. But do you think that they may carry out 
what they've been hyping - a suitcase nuke attack, a biological release 
to try to smokescreen all of this? I know it's a catch 22, you've got 
to expose the murderers. We've got to get the word out on this but some 
government people that I've talk to say, "Yeah, but if you do that, 
they are going to go even more hard core and must totally try to take 
over." But I say regardless, they are already doing that. So what do 
you say to that?
SH: Well, yeah, I think they have an agenda. They have contingency 
plans. I think they are laying low now because there are an increasing 
number of people, like myself, who are openly challenging them and 
accusing them of criminal conduct. I think they would have done it 
again if we had not spoken up. I think they're planning, what they 
would like to do is silence any dissenters. That's why we are trying to 
get the Patriot Act declared unconstitutional in this lawsuit also.
AJ: Let's talk about polls. In the beginning a patriot is a scarce man, 
hated and feared, but in time when his cause succeeds, the timid join 
him, because then it costs nothing to be a patriot. You are one of 
those guys who hit the barbwire for us, or figuratively jumped on the 
hand grenade for America. But when you've got a Zogby poll, who is 
highly respected, half of New Yorkers believe that the government was 
involved. When you have a Canadian poll, 63% on average believe that 
the U.S. government was involved. And some groups, as high as 76% in 
polls believe the government was involved. European polls, two- thirds 
show the same thing. We have German defense ministers and technology 
ministers and another member of their government now, three of them 
going public, known conservatives, and progressives. You have an 
environment minister, Michael Meacher, saying that if they didn't do 
it, they sure as hell knew what was going on. Look, if anybody who is a 
thinking person looks at the evidence, their official story is 
impossible. Then you investigate and they are involved in it. Comments 
to this massive awakening and what's happening.
SH: Well, I think that's why they want the Patriot Act to suppress 
political dissent. They have to, they're anticipating, they are not 
dumb individuals. I know these people personally, Wolfowitz. These are 
criminal individuals but they are smart and so they anticipated 
political dissent. And that's why, like the Nazis, their forebears, and 
their blood brothers, the Nazis and the Stalinists, they're all for 
political repression. Every corrupt and criminal government has done 
this - they suppress their own people: Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, 
Mao Tse-Tung, that's why we have the Patriot Act. So it's hand in hand. 
They had it planned to go right up to September 11th, this was all part 
of the plan. You have to do it. It was part of my senior thesis. You 
must follow through the terrorists attacks with a political suppression 
mechanism in the law. And that's why they want Patriot I and Patriot II 
and their plans are to continue launching more terrorist attacks to 
justify even more repression. The goal is to make this a one party 
dictatorship in this country, to pursue their dubious ends with their 
blood brothers like the Saudi Royal family. And also, historical blood 
brothers, such as the Nazi Germany and the Communist Russian. That's 
the goal
AJ: You've got to go in just a minute or two. But I wanted to also tell 
you about New York. Sound cannons that are used in Iraq, they're 
against us. Men in black ski masks. 41,000 police, accredited media 
being arrested randomly. Children being arrested, people in 
wheelchairs, 2000 plus people put in a camp with barbwire fences inside 
with no bathrooms. You had to have permission to go to the 
porta-potties. Police screaming at you. It had nothing to do with 
terrorism. They are openly setting the precedent for martial law.
SH: Well, that's right, the word terrorist is now being overly broad 
and overly defined [garbled] and also, you know, it's like the word 
communist was used for anything during the McCarthy witch hunt. And 
anybody can be called a terrorist by Bush's definition. But the irony 
is that the number one terrorist in the world is living at the White 
House at the oval office today. That's the real irony. For sheer 
hypocrisy, I think he deserves the world prize and ought to be in the 
Ripley book, Believe It or Not, and the Guinness book of world records 
for sheer brazen chicanery and fraud.
AJ: Let me ask you a question on this because this is the experience 
that I had. Watching television, watching the killers, watching those 
that are guilty, stand up there as our saviors is incredibly painful. 
It's like watching Ted Bundy being the judge at his own trial. I mean 
it is just painful to know who these people are. To see them putting 
America in a shredder. Now we are going to have forced psychological 
testing of every American, forced drugging, you know Pan-American 
unions, I mean it's just all happening, it's in our face, Stanley.
SH: Yeah, it's very disturbing and as one who has studied the theory 
and concept of dictatorships, I personally interviewed Albert Speer, 
who was Hitler's armaments minister. I interviewed him in 1981 in 
Munich. And I've studied the psychology and history of totalitarianism 
and there is no question that it's very frightening. And it has, today, 
with high technology, albeit for the first time in history, the chance 
of having a world empire dominated by corrupt, technologically oriented 
government - an elite government. And they've got now what people like 
Napoleon and Hitler didn't have, which is the technological means to 
dominate not only their own country but others - the world.
AJ: The answer is to expose them as the terrorists, to show how PNAC 
[Project for the New American Century] said we need helpful Pearl 
Harbor events, to show how Northwoods called for the exact 9/11-style 
attacks, to show their own plans. And to force people to face this 
horror. What are they going to do in a year or two when 80% of us, not 
half of us, know the truth?
SH: Well, that's why they want repression and, then again, the ancient 
old diversion, launch another terrorist attack to get people to pitch 
it away. I mean who knows what they'll do next. I mean their capacity 
for ingenious creation of these events is sort of unraveled. I mean 
there is no limit. My guess is they are going to try another stunt - 
maybe a stunt just before the election to justify getting Bush 
reelected. Although it seems like he is running against a straw man or 
a ghost right now, anyway. But, my guess is they'll try some other 
tactic to get people's attention away from 9/11 if it gets to be too 
much attention. What you really want is for the public to just lose 
interest because the public - and it's like remember the Alamo, you 
know, people don't forget things like that. To me it's like the Alamo, 
remember 9/11, that ought to be the slogan for this outrageous act of 
treason. That's what it is. It's not
AJ: We are at a crossroads, I don't think they anticipated this much 
resistance, Stanley.
SH: Yeah, I hope they are truly wrong and as incompetent as they are 
corrupt and guilty. That means their incompetence is exceeded only by 
their corruption and their guilt. And eventually, if enough people are 
going to get outraged enough, these people in the bureaucracy and in 
the civil service and our military, and eventually we can get people 
under subpoena these individuals will be exposed.
AJ: Stanley, their whole operation hinges on us being naïve and not 
recognizing evil. This is what they got with Hitler and others. People 
couldn't recognize evil so they continued to repeat succumbing to it. 
We are recognizing it this time. We are putting our lives, our 
treasure, our future on the line for freedom because we cannot let 
these blood-thirsty control freak terrorists capture us and use us and 
turn us into the empire and have a draft and use us as their slaves to 
invade the planet. And that's their PNAC plan. Stanley Hilton, I know 
you've got to get to court. God bless you. I want to thank you for 
being here with us today. Can we get you back on next week?
SH: Sure, just give me a call.
AJ: God bless you my friend. Any closing comments?
SH: My closing comments would be, I think people ought to just think 
about the consequence of having someone like Bush in the White House 
and the danger for the future that these sorts of individuals pose. 
This is not just a historical event of the past. This is part of the 
plan and the camera is still rolling. They have an agenda. These 
individuals are extremely dangerous. They are armed and dangerous. They 
pose a clear and dangerous threat to every freedom-loving person not 
only American but in the whole world.
AJ: You are absolutely right Stanley Hilton. They have captured the 
government. They have not captured the peoples' minds and they are 
counting on us not facing up to it.
SH: And they are counting on the repressive Patriot Act and threats and 
chief judges and FBI agents threatening people who are exposing them. 
That's what they are counting on.
AJ: But you're not backing down are you, my friend.
SH: No, I'm not
AJ: Well, we all stand with you, my brother, and God bless you.
SH: All right. Thank you.
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